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		<title>By: Museum Studies Student</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Museum Studies Student]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m attending Western Illinois University in the Quad Cities. This is the link to the program website: http://www.wiu.edu/museumstudies/

I would definitely recommend the program. It is housed in an art museum, but it is very interdisciplinary and offers a lot of hands-on experience that is backed by a well-rounded theoretical foundation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m attending Western Illinois University in the Quad Cities. This is the link to the program website: <a href="http://www.wiu.edu/museumstudies/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wiu.edu/museumstudies/</a></p>
<p>I would definitely recommend the program. It is housed in an art museum, but it is very interdisciplinary and offers a lot of hands-on experience that is backed by a well-rounded theoretical foundation.</p>
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		<title>By: amanda</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really appreciated your response to this. I am currently in a BA program for History looking at going into Museum Studies and your response was very helpful. I would like to ask where you are currently getting your MA in Museum Studies?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciated your response to this. I am currently in a BA program for History looking at going into Museum Studies and your response was very helpful. I would like to ask where you are currently getting your MA in Museum Studies?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also late to this fascinating discussion. Perhaps it is a function of generations or expectations or the continually increasing cost of higher education, but I think that some graduates may have very unreal expectations of wages in this field. I fell in love with museums in 1990, when I interned at a very small historical society and decided that was a good use for my undergraduate major in history. As a Gen Xer who also graduated into a recession (not nearly as bad), I went right off to graduate school with no real idea of what I was doing or why, but wanting to continue studying history and afraid of the job market. I didn&#039;t get into or get funding for the museum studies programs I pursued, but with a full ride for a history degree I studied that. No one was interested in me for a museum job either, so I started volunteering at a mid-sized history/science museum in my city and working multiple part-time jobs, living with my parents to make ends meet. Dreaming of curatorial work, I was hired part-time as floor staff in a exhibit on Mars. After 3 years of working multiple part-time jobs in multiple museums, I was hired full time in 1998 for $17,500 plus benefits. After a few years in programming, I left for my present position as educator at a small historical society. I thought the increase of over $10,000 to be great at the time, despite high transportation costs. Last year my director told me, that adjusted for inflation, my salary had not increased in ten years. At 40, with an advanced degree and almost 15 years experience, I do not make what a starting teacher with a bachelor&#039;s degree makes in my district. I have full medical, but no disability and no other insurance. My only retirement is what I can save myself. I constantly wonder if I shouldn&#039;t leave the field, but then I wonder what I would do that would be so interesting and in so many ways so fulfilling? At the same time, my husband, who works for a town government, has similar experience, fewer degrees and a slightly better salary, so it is not just museums that pay so poorly. In this economy, I know many people my age and older who feel lucky to have a job, any job, much less one they enjoy. I believe this issue of wages is a continual problem, except at the highest levels at the large and mid-sized institutions and it is an on-going concern for anyone who is not supported by other funds. This alone is a barrier to greater diversity in the field, since many of the members of lower income groups and ethnic minorities are looking for paths OUT of dead-end economic situations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also late to this fascinating discussion. Perhaps it is a function of generations or expectations or the continually increasing cost of higher education, but I think that some graduates may have very unreal expectations of wages in this field. I fell in love with museums in 1990, when I interned at a very small historical society and decided that was a good use for my undergraduate major in history. As a Gen Xer who also graduated into a recession (not nearly as bad), I went right off to graduate school with no real idea of what I was doing or why, but wanting to continue studying history and afraid of the job market. I didn&#8217;t get into or get funding for the museum studies programs I pursued, but with a full ride for a history degree I studied that. No one was interested in me for a museum job either, so I started volunteering at a mid-sized history/science museum in my city and working multiple part-time jobs, living with my parents to make ends meet. Dreaming of curatorial work, I was hired part-time as floor staff in a exhibit on Mars. After 3 years of working multiple part-time jobs in multiple museums, I was hired full time in 1998 for $17,500 plus benefits. After a few years in programming, I left for my present position as educator at a small historical society. I thought the increase of over $10,000 to be great at the time, despite high transportation costs. Last year my director told me, that adjusted for inflation, my salary had not increased in ten years. At 40, with an advanced degree and almost 15 years experience, I do not make what a starting teacher with a bachelor&#8217;s degree makes in my district. I have full medical, but no disability and no other insurance. My only retirement is what I can save myself. I constantly wonder if I shouldn&#8217;t leave the field, but then I wonder what I would do that would be so interesting and in so many ways so fulfilling? At the same time, my husband, who works for a town government, has similar experience, fewer degrees and a slightly better salary, so it is not just museums that pay so poorly. In this economy, I know many people my age and older who feel lucky to have a job, any job, much less one they enjoy. I believe this issue of wages is a continual problem, except at the highest levels at the large and mid-sized institutions and it is an on-going concern for anyone who is not supported by other funds. This alone is a barrier to greater diversity in the field, since many of the members of lower income groups and ethnic minorities are looking for paths OUT of dead-end economic situations.</p>
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		<title>By: Museum Studies Student</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 00:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I realize that this post is nearly a year old, but I recently stumbled upon it and felt compelled to comment. This debate of museum studies versus discipline-specific degrees is one that has certainly crept up in classes that I have had as a Museum Studies student. In my experience, the Master of Arts in Museum Studies is most definitely both a professional AND academic degree. I have conducted extensive academic research in my courses, presented at a symposium, and am well versed in current, cutting edge museum theory. I have also written grants, completed condition reports, used PastPerfect and EMu as collection management tools in actual museums, designed an exhibition that I am about to install, performed a formative program evaluation as a museum consultant, and attended numerous professional development workshops -- including a costume restoration course at the Campbell Center in Mt. Caroll, IL. All of these were requirements for my classes, and I am not even halfway through my program. My classes occur in a museum, and my professors are all museum professionals in the areas that they teach: my exhibition professor is a senior curator, my museum education professor is head of a museum education department, etc. Students from my degree program are continually obtaining jobs. Two students were recently hired at the museum that houses our classes, and many other students have obtained jobs elsewhere upon graduation. Do I believe that our program was an asset to them in their job hunt? Absolutely!

I personally chose pursuing my MA in Museum Studies over getting an actual museum job. The museum at which I did my undergraduate internship (my BA is in History) was looking for a new director at the time, and had shown interest in me. Granted, it is a small historic house with only two paid staff persons, but it was a very appealing prospect. Why did I decide to get my Master&#039;s degree instead of applying for a job? First of all, I was advised by several museum professionals, whom I trust greatly, to do so. Secondly, I felt completely unprepared to run a museum! The interdisciplinary and multi-faceted aspect of Museum Studies fit the bill for me. I want to start out working in, if not directing, small historic house museums. Because small museums are not heavily staffed, I will need to know how to do fundraising, exhibition design, collections management, educational programming, volunteer management, and anything else that needs doing (yes, even cleaning). My degree has already given me the confidence to enter into such a leadership position and succeed.

I have seen some people complaining about the cost of a Museum Studies degree in relation to the amount that they are paid. I must admit, that I am not very concerned about this (luckily). Although I paid for my first semester of school, I have received a graduate assistantship for the upcoming year. In addition to waiving my tuition, the university is giving me a pay check to work in the education department of a mid-sized museum. My husband makes more than enough money to support our family, and his job is flexible enough that we can most likely move if I receive a job offer after graduation. I&#039;m not looking for great pay and benefits right away, but I still want to be a professional and have the necessary skills to take care of my museum, further its research and contribution to society, and gain continuing funding. I am not going into the museum field because I want to make a lot of money but because it is my passion.

I support Museum Studies!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that this post is nearly a year old, but I recently stumbled upon it and felt compelled to comment. This debate of museum studies versus discipline-specific degrees is one that has certainly crept up in classes that I have had as a Museum Studies student. In my experience, the Master of Arts in Museum Studies is most definitely both a professional AND academic degree. I have conducted extensive academic research in my courses, presented at a symposium, and am well versed in current, cutting edge museum theory. I have also written grants, completed condition reports, used PastPerfect and EMu as collection management tools in actual museums, designed an exhibition that I am about to install, performed a formative program evaluation as a museum consultant, and attended numerous professional development workshops &#8212; including a costume restoration course at the Campbell Center in Mt. Caroll, IL. All of these were requirements for my classes, and I am not even halfway through my program. My classes occur in a museum, and my professors are all museum professionals in the areas that they teach: my exhibition professor is a senior curator, my museum education professor is head of a museum education department, etc. Students from my degree program are continually obtaining jobs. Two students were recently hired at the museum that houses our classes, and many other students have obtained jobs elsewhere upon graduation. Do I believe that our program was an asset to them in their job hunt? Absolutely!</p>
<p>I personally chose pursuing my MA in Museum Studies over getting an actual museum job. The museum at which I did my undergraduate internship (my BA is in History) was looking for a new director at the time, and had shown interest in me. Granted, it is a small historic house with only two paid staff persons, but it was a very appealing prospect. Why did I decide to get my Master&#8217;s degree instead of applying for a job? First of all, I was advised by several museum professionals, whom I trust greatly, to do so. Secondly, I felt completely unprepared to run a museum! The interdisciplinary and multi-faceted aspect of Museum Studies fit the bill for me. I want to start out working in, if not directing, small historic house museums. Because small museums are not heavily staffed, I will need to know how to do fundraising, exhibition design, collections management, educational programming, volunteer management, and anything else that needs doing (yes, even cleaning). My degree has already given me the confidence to enter into such a leadership position and succeed.</p>
<p>I have seen some people complaining about the cost of a Museum Studies degree in relation to the amount that they are paid. I must admit, that I am not very concerned about this (luckily). Although I paid for my first semester of school, I have received a graduate assistantship for the upcoming year. In addition to waiving my tuition, the university is giving me a pay check to work in the education department of a mid-sized museum. My husband makes more than enough money to support our family, and his job is flexible enough that we can most likely move if I receive a job offer after graduation. I&#8217;m not looking for great pay and benefits right away, but I still want to be a professional and have the necessary skills to take care of my museum, further its research and contribution to society, and gain continuing funding. I am not going into the museum field because I want to make a lot of money but because it is my passion.</p>
<p>I support Museum Studies!</p>
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		<title>By: colleendilen</title>
		<link>http://colleendilen.com/2009/08/12/where-are-museum-studies-graduate-programs-going-wrong/#comment-596</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh no-- I&#039;m sorry to hear that, Heather! Thanks for sharing your experience. It&#039;s great to get comments from Museum Studies grads who can share their thoughts and expertise (I don&#039;t have a grad degree in museum studies). I hope your experience hasn&#039;t left you too jaded regarding museums. Thanks again for commenting and sharing your info!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no&#8211; I&#8217;m sorry to hear that, Heather! Thanks for sharing your experience. It&#8217;s great to get comments from Museum Studies grads who can share their thoughts and expertise (I don&#8217;t have a grad degree in museum studies). I hope your experience hasn&#8217;t left you too jaded regarding museums. Thanks again for commenting and sharing your info!</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a Museum Studies program graduate, and I just have one short comment.  My degree certainly is NOT worth the 30K+ of debt that it put me in, when my full time Museum salary qualifies me for food stamps.  My graduate adviser certainly didn&#039;t prepare me for that.  Goodbye Museum World!  It was short and certainly not sweet.  What a waste of a degree!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Museum Studies program graduate, and I just have one short comment.  My degree certainly is NOT worth the 30K+ of debt that it put me in, when my full time Museum salary qualifies me for food stamps.  My graduate adviser certainly didn&#8217;t prepare me for that.  Goodbye Museum World!  It was short and certainly not sweet.  What a waste of a degree!</p>
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		<title>By: Decline of the MBA, Increase in Social Good? &#171; Colleen Dilenschneider- Know Your Own Bone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Decline of the MBA, Increase in Social Good? &#171; Colleen Dilenschneider- Know Your Own Bone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in order to meet the changing needs of society (this is much like what is going on right now in museum studies graduate programs). MBA programs may incorporate more classes in law, policy, or social work&#8211; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in order to meet the changing needs of society (this is much like what is going on right now in museum studies graduate programs). MBA programs may incorporate more classes in law, policy, or social work&#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Kurowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What an interesting post. Except as a visitor, I have absolutely nothing to do with museums, except again being the father of Alexandra who always speaks about museums both as an art lover and as the object of her marketing-innovations wandering thoughts.

And so when as an outsider I read this post I ask myself: “Museum studies... understood in terms of a hospital, do they lead you to be a doctor, a hospital administrator, an insurance agent, a marketing expert, a collector of public funds, a hospital designer, etc?” 

Clearly there must be so many aspects to running a museum and so just like in a corporation if it does not prioritize correctly which is the most important task at any specific moment or forget to adequately cover any of the basic functions at all times, they will not do well. But also, just like in a corporation that does not mean that all the functions have to be performed by employees, since outsourcing could often be a much better alternative. 

Also if you think of museum studies in term of the museums that exist, and not in terms of those that will exist, then not even the most powerful museum workers´ union will give you any job protection. I just wonder how many museum boards have asked, where do we believe the good museums will be in 2030 and how do we get there? Those who don´t do that, in a timely fashion, will most probably end up as catalogued items in the museum of museums.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an interesting post. Except as a visitor, I have absolutely nothing to do with museums, except again being the father of Alexandra who always speaks about museums both as an art lover and as the object of her marketing-innovations wandering thoughts.</p>
<p>And so when as an outsider I read this post I ask myself: “Museum studies&#8230; understood in terms of a hospital, do they lead you to be a doctor, a hospital administrator, an insurance agent, a marketing expert, a collector of public funds, a hospital designer, etc?” </p>
<p>Clearly there must be so many aspects to running a museum and so just like in a corporation if it does not prioritize correctly which is the most important task at any specific moment or forget to adequately cover any of the basic functions at all times, they will not do well. But also, just like in a corporation that does not mean that all the functions have to be performed by employees, since outsourcing could often be a much better alternative. </p>
<p>Also if you think of museum studies in term of the museums that exist, and not in terms of those that will exist, then not even the most powerful museum workers´ union will give you any job protection. I just wonder how many museum boards have asked, where do we believe the good museums will be in 2030 and how do we get there? Those who don´t do that, in a timely fashion, will most probably end up as catalogued items in the museum of museums.</p>
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		<title>By: colleendilen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[colleendilen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 05:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@zoogeek Thanks for sharing your experience. I&#039;m so glad that you&#039;ve contributed to this post by talking about the situation you are facing!

Congratulations on your upcoming graduation! I hope you&#039;ll find that the world opens up to you with your new degree. I also hope you find that (if not the content of your studies,) the skills you&#039;ve perfected in graduate school (writing, critical and creative thinking capabilities) are valued by your potential employers. 

I&#039;m interested to hear about how the intellectual community of your program has contributed to your professional development. You&#039;ll all be graduating with the same degree in the same economic situation. Do your friends have the same outlook on the program?

As a side (and to contribute my two-cents), I worked in a science center for about two years before heading off to graduate school myself. The culture was one that really appreciated a background in science and a passion for curiosity. I believe your science background will be refreshing and has the potential to serve you very well! 

@James G. Leventhal- Thanks for your kind comment. I hope that the dialogue continues both here and on the blogs of several other museos!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@zoogeek Thanks for sharing your experience. I&#8217;m so glad that you&#8217;ve contributed to this post by talking about the situation you are facing!</p>
<p>Congratulations on your upcoming graduation! I hope you&#8217;ll find that the world opens up to you with your new degree. I also hope you find that (if not the content of your studies,) the skills you&#8217;ve perfected in graduate school (writing, critical and creative thinking capabilities) are valued by your potential employers. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested to hear about how the intellectual community of your program has contributed to your professional development. You&#8217;ll all be graduating with the same degree in the same economic situation. Do your friends have the same outlook on the program?</p>
<p>As a side (and to contribute my two-cents), I worked in a science center for about two years before heading off to graduate school myself. The culture was one that really appreciated a background in science and a passion for curiosity. I believe your science background will be refreshing and has the potential to serve you very well! </p>
<p>@James G. Leventhal- Thanks for your kind comment. I hope that the dialogue continues both here and on the blogs of several other museos!</p>
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		<title>By: James G. Leventhal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James G. Leventhal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow.  what an amazing, eloquent and honest comment...your candor and conviction will serve you well in any field.

pleased to be &#039;on this chain.&#039; it&#039;s an important discussion, and for everyone of us, at every stage in our careers.  thanks again for opening this up.
james]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow.  what an amazing, eloquent and honest comment&#8230;your candor and conviction will serve you well in any field.</p>
<p>pleased to be &#8216;on this chain.&#8217; it&#8217;s an important discussion, and for everyone of us, at every stage in our careers.  thanks again for opening this up.<br />
james</p>
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